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AFFIDAVIT

I, Karl HÖLLENREINER, swear, state and declare the following:

1. I was born on the 9March 1914 in Fürth/Bavaria. I have had the following schooling: 8 years of elementary school and 3 years of commercial vocational college in Fürth/Bavaria. From 1931 until my arrest in 1944 I worked as an independent merchant and musician. From 1931 to 1938 in Munich and from 1938 to 1944 in Hersbruck/Bavaria. On the 29May 1944 I was arrested by the Gestapo because of my Sinti* descent. After my arrest I was incarcerated for around 2 weeks in the prison in Nuremberg. A trial never took place and a sentence was never passed. I had a clean record and never had any problems with the police prior to my arrest. In mid-June 1944 I was transferred to the Auschwitz concentration camp. In mid-July 1944 I was transferred to the Buchenwald concentration camp.
2. One morning towards the end of July, at the regular roll call, the prisoner numbers of different concentration camp inmates were called out and [the men] told to step forward. After this, a separate group was formed from those who had stepped forward. I belonged to this separate group and because I didn’t know what it was all about I asked some of the others in the group, and they told me that we were being transported to Dachau as a work detail. The separated group was made up of 40 Sinti and Roma of different nationalities, about 10 Germans and 30 foreigners. The foreigners were mainly Poles and Czechs. A Sinto* told me and the others that he had already been in Dachau and that the treatment and food there were better than in Buchenwald. Listening to this account I welcomed being sent to Dachau. But I never volunteered to be moved to the Dachau concentration camp.
3. It was around the beginning of August [1944] when I and the other 39 Sinti and Roma of the group arrived in Dachau. First, we were quartered in block 22, the quarantine block. We were there for 1 or 2 days, when the SS personnel then came and noted our prisoner numbers. After this was completed we were sent to the hospital of the Dachau concentration camp. There we were thoroughly examined, including with X-rays. After the examination we were all gathered in a room and a physician of the German Air Force, whose name has escaped me but whose appearance I can still clearly see before me, addressed the group.

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I can remember the following from what he said: you’ve been picked out for seawater experiments, first you’ll be given good food, the like of which you’ve never seen before, then you’ll go hungry and drink seawater. Further, he said: have you got any idea what thirst is? You’ll all go mad, you’ll all think that you must be in the desert and you’ll try to lick the dirt from the ground. At no time did this physician of the Air Force give even the slightest indication that he thought that we were a group of volunteers and he never asked anyone if he had volunteered for these experiments. After this outrageous address, a Sinto or Roma who had already gone through the freezing-water experiments in Dachau stepped forward and told the Air Force physician in front of the whole group that he refuses to once again have to go through such life-threatening experiments, to which the Air Force physician said to him that if he doesn’t comply immediately and do what he’s ordered, then he will shoot him. Because the physician was wearing an Air Force uniform and carried a pistol, I and the other Sinti and Roma had no doubt whatsoever that he would use his gun to stop a potential mutiny. After we’d seen and heard all this we no longer had the courage to refuse taking part in the experiments.
4. We were given good food at the beginning of the experiments, the same food as a German soldier. That went on for about a week and we didn’t have to work during this period. For the second week we were given the iron rations of a German soldier, made up of biscuits, chocolate, glucose tablets and a few cigarettes. Again, for the duration of the second week, we didn’t have to work. The actual experiments began in the third week. We were now given nothing at all to eat and only seawater or chemically prepared seawater to drink. As far as I can remember, our group of 40 Sinti and Roma were divided into three subgroups of roughly the same size. Group 1 was given only real seawater. Group 2 was given only chemically prepared seawater, which had a dark yellow colour and was certainly worse than pure seawater. Group 3 was given only prepared seawater that looked like proper drinking water. I was in Group 2. We had to drink a litre of water a day, based on the groups described above. In Group 3 some men drank up to 3 litres of water on some days. The Air Force physician was always present when we drank the water. I had to drink the water for almost three weeks. During these experiments I suffered terrible thirst, felt seriously ill, lost a great deal of weight and, at the end, had

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fever and felt so weak that I couldn’t even stand up. One reason for this awful weakness, which we all suffered from, was due to the continuous blood samples taken during the experiments, which the Air Force physician also carried out.
5. As for the carrying out of the experiments, I would like to add the following: at the beginning of the experiments the Air Force physician promised us better food and better working conditions after the experiments were finished, but there was never any talk that we would be released from the concentration camp after the experiments as a reward. I remember that from this group of 40 Sinti and Roma one called Ernst METTBACH was exempted from any further participation in the experiments after 2 or 3 days. I don’t know why.
6. Our temperatures were measured continuously during the experiments, sometimes by a French concentration camp inmate who worked as an orderly and sometimes directly by the Air Force physician. I can still recall one scene very clearly, a Czechoslovak Rom begged and implored to the Air Force physician that he couldn’t possibly drink any more water. The Air Force physician then ordered that this Czechoslovak Rom be tied to a bed and the Air Force physician himself then forcibly injected the seawater using a stomach pump. During the experiments most of the Sinti and Roma were given liver and spinal punctures. I myself was given a liver puncture and know from my own experience that these punctures were extremely painful. Even today, when a change in the weather comes, I still feel these sharp pains where the liver punctures were inflicted. The Air Force physician personally carried out all the liver and spinal punctures. The Air Force physician told me that liver punctures were carried out to prevent salt from settling in the liver. The Air Force physician ordered that two Czech Roma, who had succeeded in getting some fresh water, were to be tied and bound to their beds with rope for the remainder of the experiments as punishment. Most of the Sinti and Roma had fits of madness during the experiments, and these broke out both day and night. Some Sinti and Roma*, particularly Czechs, had fits so awful that they barked like dogs. When these fits broke out in the presence of the Air Force physician, he only laughed ironically and when it got too much for him he administered liver punctures to quieten them down. No one was ever exempted from the experiments

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after he had gone through such a fit.
7. Between roughly the first and second week of the experiments, all Sinti and Roma were placed on stretchers, covered with white sheets and carried out from the sickbay room into the courtyard. Here the naked bodies were photographed in the presence of the Air Force physician, who remarked ironically that they should laugh so that the photos would look more cheerful. Shortly after the photos were taken numbers were tattooed on our chests. The Air Force physician personally did the tattooing. For this purpose he used a stinging chemical fluid that was excruciating. I was given number 23, and its traces are still to be seen today on my chest. Other Sinti and Roma who took part in these experiments told me that the numbers were tattooed to enable better identification of the corpses. The liver and spinal punctures already mentioned in Paragraph 5 were first carried out after the photographs were taken and the numbers tattooed.
8. After the experiments were finished, having lasted almost 3 weeks, all the experimental persons were examined again, but this time without the X-rays. For a few days after the experiments we were once again given good food, the same as German soldiers. After that we were sent back to Block 22 and received there only the ordinary food usually given in the concentration camp. Shortly afterwards our group was assigned to work for farmers. During this time we spent the day in the fields and slept in Block 22 at night. During the day the farmers gave us food and it was better than the concentration camp food. The Air Force physician had already promised us during the final days of the experiments that we would work for the farmers. I stayed on the farm for about a week, but then developed phlegmon [purulent inflammation] and had to go back to the concentration camp hospital. I remained in the hospital only until my phlegmon had healed, roughly the end of 1944 or the beginning of 1945. From shortly after the seawater experiments until the present day I suffer from the consequences of the experiments. From time to time I suffer fits of dizziness, everything goes dark before my eyes and I feel very weak, hardly able to stay on my feet. Because of this I am under constant medical observation. The tests carried out by Professor KOCH at the outpatient department of the Erlangen medical clinic in September 1945 resulted in the following diagnosis: early infiltration of the lung in the left

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upper field, and therefore Professor KOCH declared that I was unable to do strenuous work, above all I was unsuitable for working in poor weather, because in the latter case it would result in a worsening of my condition. In addition, he declared that continuous check-ups are absolutely necessary. Prior to having to go through the seawater experiments I never had any health problems. I was always perfectly healthy. All these things I’ve described only began to appear after the seawater experiments.
9. As far as I know, X-rays were not taken after the experiments. The account of what happened next to the subjects after the experiments were finished, described in Paragraph 8, refers only to the 36 Sinti and Roma. Of the original 40, one took part, as already mentioned, only for a few days. Three were so close to death that they were carried out on stretchers all on the same evening, covered with white sheets. I’ve never heard another thing about the three of them. Later I spoke about these three with other Sinti and Roma of our group back in Block 22 and while at the farm, but nobody has ever heard another thing about them. The Air Force physician left us immediately after the experiments were finished and in no way or form did he show even the slightest interest in our health and subsequent treatment. The carrying out of the experimental persons close to death on stretchers described above, who as far as I could tell were Czech Roma*, took place just a few hours after the Air Force physician had departed.
10. With the exception of a few days of good food following the experiments and about a week on the farm, I received no advantages whatsoever from participating in the experiments. After I was discharged from the hospital where my phlegmon was treated at the beginning of 1945, I was directly sent to a subcamp of Dachau in Augsburg. There I was forced to do extremely hard work in a Messerschmitt factory. The work there was so hard that around 10 people died there every day. Shortly before the collapse [of the National Socialist regime] we were sent on a forced march from Augsburg in the direction of Tyrol, but American troops caught up and liberated us. Since my liberation I’m once again an independent merchant and musician in Hersbruck and Erlangen. But because of my poor health, which I have already described in detail in Paragraph 8, I have often been forced to cease working and seek medical treatment. The physician treating me at present is Dr ANNEMUELLER, Professor KOCH’s assistant, at the Outpatient department of the medical clinic in Erlangen.

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My current addresses are as follows:
In Hersbruck, Leutenbachstr. 19,
in Alt-Erlangen, c/o the HAUSHAMMER family.

I have read the above statement, comprising of 6 pages, in the German language and declare that it is the whole truth to the best of my knowledge. I have had the opportunity to make changes and corrections to the above statement. I have given this statement of my own free will, without any promise of reward, and I was not subject to any kind of coercion or threat.

Nuremberg, 17June 1947
Karl Höllenreiner [signature]

[In English:] Before me, Herbert H. MEYER, U.S. Civilian, identification number AGO A 4412 694 Interrogator, Evidences Division, Office of Chief of Counsel for War Crimes, appeared Karl HOELLENREITER [sic] to me known, who in my presence signed to foregoing Eidesstattliche Erklaerung (affidavit) consisting of six pages in the German language and swore that the same was true, on the 17th of June 1947 in Germany.

Herbert H. Meyer [signature]

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SOVLIKARDO MOTHOVIPE

Me o, Karl HÖLLENREINER, dav sovli thaj ačhav pala e sovli, mothovindos kado:

1. Me sem bijando po 9. Marto 1914 berš ko Fürth/Bavaria. E školatar agorisardem akava: 8 berš fundavni škola, thaj 3 berš profesionalutni ekonimikaki škola ko Fürth/Bavaria. Kotar o 1931 dži ko miro panglipe po 1944 berš kerdem buti sar kino-bikinibasko bućari thaj muzičari. Kotar o 1931 dži po 1938 berš ko Minhen thaj kotar o 1938 dži po 1944 berš ko Hersbruck/Bavaria. Po 29. Majo1944 berš semas phanglo kotar o Gestapo soske sem Sinto. Pala miro phanglipe, dži ke duj kurke semas phanglo ko phanglipe ando Nurnberg. Nikana naj sas kerdi krisaripasko bešipe thaj naj sas man dendo došalipe. Man si užo dosije, thaj nikana naj sas ma varesave problemora e policijasa angleder miro phanglipe. Maškar o Juno 1944 berš kerde mange trasfero ando Koncentracijako Lager Auschwitz. Ko maškar e čhonesko Juli semas bičhaldo ando Koncentracijako Lager Buchenwald.
2. Jekh dives anglal o mezmeri po agor e čhonesko Juli, sar sako dives kadija vi kodo, avri mothade e numerura katar e phangle manuša, thaj save sas kotar e aver Lagerja [e murša] vakardo sas te iklen angle. Kotar e manuša save angle ikliste kerdi sas jekh grupa. Me semas jekh dženo kotar akaja grupa, numa kaj na džanavas so si i buti, phučlem averen so ka ovelpe, von pende mange kaj ka legaren amen ko Dachau sar bućarni jekhin. Akaja ulavdi grupa ginelas 40 manuša, Sintora thaj Rroma sas kote vi aver nacionalitetura, šaj 10 Njamcora thaj 30 nabešutne strancora. E nabešutne sas Polskatar thaj e Čehijatar. Jekh Sinto* mothavdas mange thaj averenge kaj vov sas ko Dachau, kaj odori o tretmano thaj o xabe majlačho si no ando Buchenwald. Ašundos akava mothavipe me lokhes lijem o drom ko Dachau. Numa, me nikana me mandar ni phendem te ovav legardo ko Koncentracijako Lager Dachau.
3. O čhon Avgusto [1944] numa so pecindas, kana me thaj e avera 39 Sintora thaj Rroma kotar i grupa reslam ko Dachau. Majanglal čhute amen ko karantinesko bloko 22. Odori samas 1 vaj 2 divesa, kana o SS personalo avilas thaj dijas amen e phanglipaske serijake numerura. Pala kodo, bičalde amen ko hospitalo ando Koncentracijako Lager Dachau. Kerde amenge sastipaski kontrola, thaj rentgen. Pala i kontrola kedije amen savorren ande jekh soba, amenca sas jekh sastjari kotar e njamcikani Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe), našti te dav ma godi pe lesko anav, numa me jakhende šaj te dikhav lesko muj angla ma, thaj vov vakardas amenge.
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   Dav ma godi pe kodo so vov phendas: tumen sen alosarde tumenca te kerelpe eksperimento vaš o doravesko pani, majanglal ka ovel tumenge deno lačho xabe, gasavo xabe so nikana na dikhlen angleder, pala adava ka ačhen bokhale thaj numa ka pijen e doravesko londo pani. Angle, vov phendas: si tumen varesavi ideja so si kodo te oves bi pajesko? Savore ka delikaren tumari godi, saren ka ovel tumen imaginacija te gindin kaj sen ande pustinja thaj e čibasa ka khosen i phuv tele. Ko nijekh momento akava sastjari na sikavdas ni jekh majcikno haćaripe, vov gindilas kaj sam amen volonterno grupa thaj nikana na phučlas khanikas, si li vareko volontarno akate vaš e akala eksperimentora. Pala akava darando mothovipe jekh Sinto vaj Rrom kon nakhlas akala eksperimentora e šudre pajesa ko Dachau tromalno iklilo anglal i grupa thaj anglal o sićari katar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe) phendas kaj na mangel te nakel pale jekvar trujal gasave eksperimentora, kola si rizikane po dživdipe, pe kodo o sastjari phendas leske, te na mangel te kerel sar so si i komanda, vov ka mudarel oles. Kaj o sastjari phiravelas i uniforma kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe) thaj pesa legarelas jekh jagalo, me thaj e avera Sintora thaj Rroma džanasa kaj vov ka lel o jagalo te phajrarel, angleder te ačhavel o bunto. Kana dikhlam thaj ašundam sa kodo naj sas amen zor te sikavas revolto, e eksperimentura te na keras.
4. Majanglal no so pecinde e eksperimentora, dije amenge lačho xabe sar e armijake. Kodo džalas perdal jekh kurko thaj na trubulas ko kodo vrama te keres buti. Ko dujto kurko dije amenge ekstra učo kalorijako xabe sar so denas e armijake manušenge, piškote, čokolada, drakhako šikeri thaj nekobor cigarete. E čačutne eksperimentija crdije o trito kurko. Amenge na dije khanči xabe numa doravesko londo pani vaj hemikanes kerdo doravesko pani te pijas. Sar so dav ma godi, ki amari grupa sas 40 Sintora thaj Rroma ulavde ko trin telunegrupe jekhavne bare. Е anglune grupake dije čačo deravesko pani. E dujto grupake kote so semas vi me dije hemikano kerdo pani, dikholas galbeno thaj majdžungalo sas kotar o čačo deravesko pani. E 3 grupake dije kerdo deravesko pani savo so mujilas sar čačo pibasko pani. Me semas ki 2 grupa. Amen musaj sas te pijas jekh litro pani ko dives, dikhindos pe aver gupe so si mothavdo upre. Ki trito grupa nesave murša pile thaj 3 litre pani ko nesave divesa. Sakana kana pijasa o pani, o sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe) sas amenca. Me musaj sas te pijav o paj trin kurke. Ki vrama kana kerdonas akala eksperimentora rodavas but pani te pijav, nasvaljem, xasardem but kilogramura, thaj po agor lijem

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te izrav, avilem kobor kovlo so našti sas te uštav pe pundre te ačhav. O došalipe vaš amari bizor thaj amaro crdipe sas sa majbaro kaj sako dives lenas amendar o rat vaš e analize sa dži kana nakhenas e eksperimentura, kodo kerelas o sastjari katar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe).
5. Phanlo akale eksperimentenca, me mangav te mothovav vi akava: kana crdije e eksperimentora, o sastjari e Avijatikane jekhinako (Luftwaffe) dijas amenge vorba kana ka agorinpe e eksperimentura ka ovel amenge deno majlačho xabe thaj majlačhi buti, numa nikana naj sas vorbisardo kaj amen varekana ka ovas mukle pala e eksperimentora andar o Koncentracijako Lager, sar pursak. Dav ma godi pe kodo kaj katar akaja grupa kotar e 40 Sintora thaj Rroma jekh manuš anavesa Ernst METTBACH sas muklo avri kotar e eksperimentora pala 2 vaj 3 divesa, numa na džanav soske.
6. Sako dives ki vrama kotar o eksperimento merinenas amari temperatura, varekana kodo kerelas jekh phanglo Francuzo kotar o Koncentracijako Lager so kerelas buti sar medecinari, a varekana kodo direktno kerelas o sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe). Me vi akana našti te dav ma užo godi, jekh čexoslovako Rrom rujas thaj rodijas kotar o sastjari te ačhavel te pijel o pani kaj majbut našti kodo kerel. O sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe) dijas komanda e čexoslovake Romeske * te ovel phanglo ko pato thaj zorasa čhutas ande leste o phani e vodjeske pumpasa. Trujal e eksperimentura buteder Sintonge * thaj e Rromenge kerde punkcija ko kalo buko thaj korkoro mandar džanav, akala punkcije dukaje but, vi adives haćarav bari dukh po than kote so kerde mange punkcija. O sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe) personalno kerdas e punkcije po kalo buko thaj pe dumesko maškar. O sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe) phendas mange kaj e punkcije po kalo buko kerenas te na ačhel o lon ando kalo buko. O sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe) dijas komanda pala e duj čexikane Rroma , kola so čorjal pile užo pani, te oven phangle pe olenge patora e šelesa sa džikote so džal o eksperimento, sar birandipe. Buteder kotar e Sintora thaj e Rroma sebet o eksperimento dilajle, thaj kodo sas vi ke raći vi ko dives. Varesave Sintora thaj Rroma, specijalno e čexijake, ovenas diljarde kobor bilačhes so lenas te bašen sar džukela. Kana gasave incidentora pecinas anglal o sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe), vov numa asalas ironično, thaj kana sas leske bilačhes kotar kodo, kerelas olenge punkcija maj cera azgini te oven. Khonik na gelas avral kotar e eksperimentora
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pala e nakle diljaripa.
7. Maškar o angluno thaj dujto kurko katar e eksperimentora, sa e Sintora * thaj e Roma sas čhuvde pe patura, učharde parrne kapaha thaj ikalde ki avlin avri andar o staciono. Akate e nange trupora sas fotografirime anglal o sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe), kon ironikanes phendas kaj e manuša musaj te asan thaj e fotografije te mujin po lošalipe. Skurto vrama pala o fotografiribe sas tetovirime e numerja pe olenge kolina. O sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe), korkore kerdas amenge o tetoviribe. Vaš akava sas lendo hemikano likvido kova so pekelas thaj dukalas but. Mange sas dendo o numero 23, vi adadives šaj te dikholpe pe miro kolin. E avera Sintora thaj Rroma kon lije than ko akala eksperimentora sas tetovirime resimasa te kerelpe majlačhi trupongi identifikacija. E kale bukoske punkcije thaj e dumesko maškarutne kokala, kola si mothovde ko kotor 5 sas kerde pala o fotografiribe thaj e numerengo tetoviribe.
8. Pala e eksperimentengo agoripe, kola so džanas perdal trin kurke, sa e manušenge, pe save kerdilo o eksperimento, kerdaspe inke još jekh kontrola, numa akava drom bi o rentgeno. Pala o eksperimeto nekobor divesa, pale dije amenge lačho xabe, sar e njamcikane armijakere dženenge. Pala kodo samas bičalde palpale ko bloko 22, odori dije amen xabe sar so denas sa e phanglenge ko Koncentracijako Lager. But sigo amare grupake sas vakardo te keras buti sar bustanarja ke farme. Maškar kodi vrama amen naklam o dives kerindos buti ko agraro thaj raćate sovasa ko bloko 22. Ko dives e farmerija denas amenge xabe so sas majlačho kotar o xabe ando Koncentracijako Lager. O sastjari kotar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe) phendas amenge kaj ko agorutne divesa kotar e eksperimentura amen ka keras buti ke farma. Me ačhilem pe farma jekh kurko, numa nasvaljem kotar o Phlegmone [sigalo infekcijako nasvalipe] thaj irisarde ma palpale ando Koncentracijako Lageresko hospitalo. Me ačhilem ko hospitalo te sastivav kotar o nasvalipe, dži ko agor katar o 1944 berš vaj o avgo 1945 berš. Sigo pala o eksperimento e doraveske pajesa thaj dži adives si man problemo me sastipasa. Kotar e vrama pe vrama, irilpe mange ko šero, dikhav kalipe angla me jakha, thaj sem khino, našti ačhav pe mire phunre. Kodoleske sakana sem tala e medecinako ažutipe. E testora so kerdas mange o Profesor KOCH ko departamento vaš e avrune pacientija ko Erlangen medicinaki klinika po Septembro1945 berš dije mange akaja dijagnoza: angleder kerdini infiltracija ke stungo kolineski
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upruni rig, kodoleske o Profesor KOCH mothovdas mange kaj me našti te kerav phari buti majbut, kaj me naj sem zoralo te kerav buti telal e bilačho vrama, kaj dureder kodo ka anel mange bilačhi sastipaski situacija.Vov angle mothovdas kaj trubuj redovno te džav pe kontrole. Angleder te keren mange eksperimentora e doraveske pajesa, me semas sasto. Me semas sakana sasto. Sa akala buća so mothovdem vaš miro bizuralo sastipe aven pala e eksperimentora e doravne pajesa.
9. Kozom so me džanav amenge na kerde rentgen pala e eksperimentora. O mujalnipa pala kodo so kerdilo e dženenca pala o eksperimentesko agoripe, si mothovdo ko paragrafo 8, kote si mothovdo pala 36 Sintora thaj Rroma. Kotar 40 džene, so anglunes lije than, sar so angleder mothovdem, numa nekobor divesa pala kodo trin olendar sas paša o meribe thaj von si čhuvde ko pato thaj ikalde avri kodi raći, e parne kapenca. Pala akale trin manuša me nikana na šundem majpalal vareso nevo. Thaj kana angle phučlem andar lende, khonik kanči na džanglas ni e Sintora ni e Rroma * ki amari grupa katar o bloko 22, trujal i vrama kana semas ki farma, vi odori khonik na šundas khanči vaš olende. O sastjari katar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe) gelas peske kana agorisarde e eksperimentura thaj ko nisavo kejso ja pe aver vareso na sikavdas intereso vaš amaro sastipe thaj amaro durino tretmano. E manušengo legaripe so lije than ko eksperimento thaj sas paša o meriba sar so mothovdem upre, kobor so me šaj te phenav si čexikane Rroma, kodo kerdilaspe numa nekobor časora angleder te džal peske o sastjari katar e Avijatikani jekhin (Luftwaffe).
10. Numa nekobor divesa lačho xabe pala e eksperimentora thaj jekh kurko nakhlo pe farma na dije ma nisavo ajluko sar manušeske kotar e eksperimentora. Kana mukle ma andar o hospitalo, pala mo sastaribe po avgo kotor ko 1945 berš, me semas direktno bičhaldo ko avruno lager kotar o Dachau ko Augsburg. Ki Messerschmitt fabrika semas zorasa tradino te kerav buti. I buti sas odobor phari so 10 manuša merenas ko dives. Skurto angleder o kolapso [kotar o Naci režimo] zorasa bičhalde amen te džas po maršo kotar o Augsburg dži ko Tirol, numa e Amerikake trupe astarde amen thaj mukle amen pe slobodija. Pala miro muklibe pe slobodija, me sem pale trgovco thaj muzikanto ko Hersbruck thaj Erlangen. Numa kaj mo sastipe si bizoralo, thaj sa kodo detalno mothovdem ko paragrafo 8, butivar musaj te čhinav mi buti thaj te rodav sastipaski griža. O sastjari so akana lel sastipaski sama pe mande si o Dr ANNEMUELLER, vov si asistento kotar o Dr KOCH kon si kotar o departamento vaš e medicinaki klinika ko Erlangen
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Miri akanutni adresa si akija:
Ko Hersbruck, Leutenbachstr. 19,
ko Alt-Erlangen, c/o HAUSHAMMER familija.

Me drabardem o upruno vakeribe, so genavel 6 riga, pe njamcikani čhib thaj phenav kaj kodo si o čačipe savo me džanav thaj si mange pindžardo. Sas ma šajipe te kerav paruvipe thaj korekcije upre ko miro mothovipe. Me mothavdem sa kodo pala miro manglipe, bivorbako te pukindolpe mange, thaj naj sem tala i zor vaj dar.

Nuremberg, 17. Juno 1947
Karl Höllenreiner [skrinisardo]

Angla mande o Herbert H. MEYER, U.S. Civilo, identifikacijako numero AGO A 4412 694 Rodipasko manuš, mujalno sektoro, Šefeski kancelarija kotar o Konzilo pe maribaske dukhaviba, sikavdaspe o Karl HOELLENREITER, mange pindžardo, kova so angla mande hramosardas sa upre mothovdo sovljakardo mothovibe (Eidesstattliche Erklaerung) kedino ko šov riga pe nemcikani čhib thaj dijas sovol kaj si kodo čačipe, po 17. Juno 1947 berš ko Nemcikano them.

Herbert H. Meyer [skrinisardo]